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Witchblade · Jul 27, 2005, 12:55 PM // 12:55

/Agreed with the idea that netspeak definitely does suck

Ok with those "lol, wtf, brb, np,cya" just for ease but have a look at locale chan, i never let it open

and it's getting worse..when it's not a 2nd trade channel in outposts..it's always the same stuff

-"lfg"
-"lfg"
-"lfg"
-"lfg"
x200
-Need Mo
-Xperienced player lfg no noobs
-lfg to do bonus
-lfg
-stfu noobs

etc and u can easily add 200 trade msg in that crap

kg_lildude1 · Jul 27, 2005, 01:29 PM // 13:29

peope spam wts/wtb in local channels because they realize that no one ever has trade chat open, pretty soon they will be resorting to private msging in-game, which will be even more annoying

i am against MOST leetspeak or whatever you type it as, but i do use some of the useful ones ALOT, like; lol <-- said in earlier post, it's a word of its own now

, brb, cya <-- often people have to leave immediately and do not have time to say a full goodbye, lmao <-- another version of lol, IFG, or LFG, but i never put experienced no noobs or any of that ****, because thats degrading the other people and i probably won't be invited. If you really want a group of probably very good people type, message me if you think you aren't that good and we can form group, then show a big smile

, thats pretty much the only good ones that should be used

brb is probably the most important, i don't get what some of you people have a problem with this, because, if something in the real world comes up, i.e. for me sometimes i have to take the dog out, i don't have forever to type be right back, because by then, i'll get yelled at by my parents and prolly kicked off the comp, brb is generally used when a situation without previous notice comes up that REQUIRES the persons immediate attention, so if you see someone say, brb, THEN THEY HAVE SOMETHING THAT NEEDS ATTENTION, so don't get pissed at them if they have responsibilities in REAL life...., if they say brb gonna get food, then that would be an excuse, because they can spell that out and then get their food, but for emergencies you don't always have time to type out every single word like a grammar/spell freak

Diomedes · Jul 27, 2005, 02:06 PM // 14:06

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Language isn't some kind of immovable, set-in-stone, holy set of rules. The nice thing about language is that it's constantly changing. We now also say "you" instead of "thou". Who is to say that this won't evolve further into a generally-accepted "u" ?

Although "you" instead of "thou" was a form of English rebellion IIRC. The King demanded to be addressed in the plural (i.e. the royal "we") and hence the rebellion was to always use the 2nd person plural instead of the 2nd person singular when addressing /anyone/ (so the king was addressed as he desired, but it wasn't distinct or unique). Thus thee/thy/thou left our language.

I somehow like that more than, "Well, someome made a typo and said 'pwn' instead of 'own' and all well... monkey see, monkey do."

However, my opinions will ultimately have no effect on the course of the language. Hence I might as well bite my lip and just go with the flow on this one. The only upshot is that usually if someone is saying, "Man I'm 1337", I know not to invite them to my PUG, and if they're using complete sentences, they'll get the invite.

-Diomedes

SOT · Jul 27, 2005, 02:12 PM // 14:12

The problem is that people seem to push more neurons toward saying something that is harder to type than "new player" or "idiot" because they think, on some subconcsious (not always) level that typing
3l1+3 /\/00b135

makes them somewhow super evil geniuses who can walk through walls, dodge bullets, and claim Neo as their father, and the matrix as their mecca.

Problem is, intelligence and being able to make art are not always in tandem.

People type that way for several other reasons, such as:

It annoys others, and they KNOW it does.

It slows down the communication between people who may not talk like that, and they KNOW it does.

It causes misunderstandings, and they KNOW it does.

The point is, ignore tools who act like that, and go on with your day. You cannot EVER hope to stem the tide of the inane and the mundane, but if we're lucky, Anet will put a filter in place and all that SHIT will become replaced with things like "i like twinkies and candycanes" instead of "OMG SUXORS JOO!"

Aniewiel · Jul 27, 2005, 02:15 PM // 14:15

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Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius

PS: On the subject of pet peeves: 'ignots'.

A carryover from my Diablo days:

roUge vs. rogUe

One is make-up. One is, in this case, a female game character that MIGHT wear the former.

Old Dood · Jul 27, 2005, 02:25 PM // 14:25

Communication is the key to this game. People that complain about others usually to not make their thoughts well known. It is not that hard to type out full words to make your point. I can undetstand Short Speak like "ya" or "rdy" but this wierd other slang doesn't work for me. You want people to understand you and not frustrate you while playing this game then take the time to TYPE your message.

Also people that start saying "GoGoGo" as soon as I accept an invite I either whisper the leader to kick them or I just drop out any more. They are usually the ones that charge in and bring on the mobs then complain that they were not healed or everyone else is a n00b. I have had it. Now that I am playing a Monk I can and will find a group that will appreciate good team play and sportsmanship.

The Stealth Ranger · Jul 27, 2005, 02:46 PM // 14:46

I never liked chatting and SMS. I think it's an extremely inefficient, slow and unpleasant way of communicating. You only have a very short time to type your thoughts on something as dreadful as a keyboard. And when you're finally done, the other is already talking about another subject. And I'm not even talking about all the typos you always see. I think it's very strange that so many people do it a lot and seem to like it. We haven't got a voice for nothing. It's the best way of communicating (it's possible to use Skype in the background with Guild Wars). I try to avoid chatting as much as possible.

But especially in a fast game environment, it's inevitable that people come up with all sorts of esoteric and exotic abbreviations. It's inevitable. Inherent to something inefficient like chatting. Not that I appreciate words with various numbers and symbols in it. Simply because a lot of normal people don't have a clue what the other is "talking" about. It also looks a bit silly and childish, in my opinion. It's all "monkey language" to me

Stur · Jul 27, 2005, 02:46 PM // 14:46

Nerds complaining about Geeks using lEEt hahaha ohhhh the irony

Shandoo Bilari · Jul 27, 2005, 02:46 PM // 14:46

Llama > Here comes the WAAAAMBULANCE > Nubs > Noobs > Newb > Ninja Pirate

I have no idea why I posted this, humor me I am stuck in a meeting.

SOT · Jul 27, 2005, 03:16 PM // 15:16

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Originally Posted by Shandoo Bilari

Llama > Here comes the WAAAAMBULANCE > Nubs > Noobs > Newb > Ninja Pirate

I have no idea why I posted this, humor me I am stuck in a meeting.

Go back to the meeting.

Anarkii · Jul 27, 2005, 03:19 PM // 15:19

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Originally Posted by kg_lildude1

pretty soon they will be resorting to private msging in-game, which will be even more

It has already started. I was standing with my new character in Yaks Bend the other day, and got 3/4 PMs about items. like "Do you need a fiery axe haft? Its great for killing monsters in these ice areas. 500g only!!".

Oh and I didnt say "stfu nub"

I actually bought it

Sereng Amaranth · Jul 27, 2005, 04:07 PM // 16:07

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Originally Posted by Arturo02

I kinda like pwned though. Just a funny word to use.

pwndizzld and w00tburgrz are 2 of my favorites

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Originally Posted by FiveDisgruntledMonkeys

I abhor netspeak, l337speak, what-have-you, and I never use it in game. I capitalize and punctuate my sentences, and do my best to spell things correctly.
And, really, I'm starting to feel like I'm the only one.

You're not.

Jczech · Jul 27, 2005, 05:29 PM // 17:29

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Originally Posted by Sekkira

Actually, I'd like to know where these people get this from. Surely schools teach you how to write with proper grammer, spelling and punctuation. What happens to these people when they log on? Does their entire education that has been engraved into the minds just disappear? How? What causes this? Why would someone throw away years of learning that is second nature on how to spell and such for this?

It frustrates me, it pisses me off. I hate stupid, idiotic people and sometimes they're lucky I'm not around them with something that can be used as a weapon.

I have a couple theories as to where it comes from. My favourite being that they're all 12 year olds and don't know any better

Seriously though, I think it comes from those who can't type quickly. While I understand that someone who's new to the online world to not have the ability to type as quickly as is required, it's not an excuse to cut short words into shorter strings of alphanumerical characters. If something is too hard, do you practice until you get better, or set your standards low enough so, atleast in your own eyes, you're 'good enough'?

The problem is that they start using it while they're new, and the habit sticks. Either they don't know better, or they pick it up from the 'cool' people, and imitate them. Perhaps if they taught typing from an earlier age, it would stick around. But that's just my theory on where this utterly annoying 'netspeak' comes from.

It annoys the hell out of me too. I sometimes wish I knew how to crack (not to be mistaken with the horribly abused hacking, which annoys me almost as much as this 'netspeak') so I could atleast harm them for being so stupid, even if it couldn't be physically.

JoDiamonds · Jul 27, 2005, 05:45 PM // 17:45

Subcultures develop their own jargon and language. It's part of human nature. It helps differentiate those people from others, and provides a sense of community and insulates against "outsiders".

I'm not saying all of these things are good or bad, and there are many studies and books on the subject, far more than could be said here. But it's going to happen, and no one can stop it. =)

rwt2006 · Jul 27, 2005, 05:50 PM // 17:50

l33t-speak is for idiots, whoever uses it or created it is a retard with no life living in his mommies basement playing games all day long. Netspeak is annoying too, but then again sometimes it can be helpful to shorten things out but ROFL and lol are way over used. Don't forget LMAO too... oh and if u say ROFL i doubt it's that funny or you would have actualy gotten on the floor.

Diomedes · Jul 27, 2005, 06:16 PM // 18:16

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l33t-speak is for idiots, whoever uses it or created it is a retard with no life living in his mommies basement playing games all day long.

Just to insert some history. 1337 speak started waaaaay back when in newsgroups and such by people who were (usually) engaged in some illegal activities (like hacking, phreaking, pirating, etc). Many of these folks were paranoid (and rightly so) that their messages were being scanned by FBI/law enforcement computers and such. These programs were sort of "dumb" text search engines that would look for words like "hack" and if it found one in a message, would flag it and send the message to an agent to review. Hence people started purposely misspelling and typing words to avoid the search. Thus 1337 speak was born.

Years later some kids who don't know the history or use of 1337 speak decided that it looked "cool" to do it. Let's face it, it used to be very cool to be a hacker, and if you couldn't hack, you could still sound like one on the internet. Thus people who didn't know anything started spreading it around.

Anyhow, those sorts of things do have a reason to exist, but their reason is now long gone and they've all moved on... except for some folks who still think it "sounds" cool.

-Diomedes

Krytan Warrior · Jul 27, 2005, 07:01 PM // 19:01

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Originally Posted by goldfinger

It is really wearing thin for me. It seems like each and every little hip term is more and more idiotic. Newbie, newb, noob, n00b, nub, it just keeps getting worse and worse. Owned and pwned are pretty much the most uncool sayings to grace god's green earth. Anything with the intended mispellings, numbers for letters, and all kinds of jazz like that is pretty much a sure fire way to make yourself look like a fagnuts. That being said, why does everyone do it? What kind of simple minded retard seems to think that OMG STFU n00b is some sort of acceptable reply to anything. I am sick of seeing this crap tossed around the arenas and tossed around my whispers when I try to confront someone about something stupid they may be doing or may have done. Does anyone here do this? If you do can you explain why crap like this is said? Does anyone agree with me or is everyone looking to make gamers like some sort of crew hell bent on crapping on the english language?

I totally agree. That`s why I NEVER use abbreviations when I play Guild Wars. If I want to sell, I write "i want to sell" If I am looking for a group then I just type it. It is really not that hard.

These 733t, n00b etc. stuff just makes people look like immature morons.

Cap'n Hoek · Jul 27, 2005, 08:29 PM // 20:29

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Originally Posted by BrokenSymmetry

Who is to say that this won't evolve further into a generally-accepted "u" ?

Don't you mean "devolve"?

Divinitys Creature · Jul 28, 2005, 12:28 AM // 00:28

To the OP, did everyone repeatedly pWnZ0r you and call you a newb? Did they WTFpwn you?

Leetspeak can be annoying in excess but sometimes it's funny.

- I pwn n00bs -

Witchblade · Jul 28, 2005, 06:15 AM // 06:15

It's even used when naming a char

Thoese names rlly make me laugh..Who d name his char
XX /\/@@b $uXX Xx or P\/\/NU N@@b .. well maybe that kinda moron

This should'nt be allowed..i think that the idea of restricting the use of numbers and symbols is good.. GW is the only game where those stupid names aren't allowed, i think..

D2 was full of em